Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner

Today was a unique experience to me, but one that could be played out all over this country. I knew my ancestors had slaves, but today I met my cousins, the descendants of those slaves at a reunion of the Carson family held at the Carson House in Marion, NC. Seems great-great-great-great grandpa had two full sets of children with two women, just across the creek from each other, each in their own house. The black slave woman with whom he had 12 children was named Kadella. She was considered a princess, perhaps the daughter of an African king and did no work except for making beautiful quilts and exquisite hand sewn clothing.

My new long lost cousins

My new long lost Carson cousins - Preston & Ken

That and having kids all the time. They say she never walked anywhere and was carried around by the other slaves on a palanquin. An interesting note to this story was that Master John Carson sent the children (update – make that just the boys) he had with Kadella to the north as soon as they turned 14 so they did not become slaves themselves, except for the last two who probably turned 14 after his death. (Another version of the story is they were sent away because of their “shameful likeness” to their father.) I could not find whether any of the people at the reunion were related to those children who went north. Lots of the history is a bit fuzzy for obvious reasons. Names came up again and again. My great great grandfather William Carson was the son of the original John Carson. There were several Will and William Carsons there. People came from NY, NJ and Texas. Many others from NC, Hickory, Statesville, Morganton, Marion, stayed close to home.



My family on Mom’s side is so small, it was fun to be among this large extended family. Sure, at best we are probably 6th or 7th cousins, but blood is blood.

Where it all began

Where it all began

There is a moment in history where we were joined. It is a strange history, a bitter one, and I was ambivalent about one of the other white relatives who gave a short talk and apologized to all the black Carsons. Should we be sorry that we are all here today together? That our common ancestor was the man he was? Isn’t it presumptuous to apologize for their own progenitor as if we as 21st century white people bear more responsibility for his actions than they do? We are all his descendants. I am sorry that it happened, but can only do what I can do in this life to see that the wrongs of society are address in the here and now.



One of the other black Carsons (could not find him after he talked to get his name) got up and led with the line,”Guess who’s coming to dinner” which got a great laugh and applause.
_DEB0046_2He went on to say, “This is where it started. Our Chicken George, our Kunta Kinte. We built this house. And today, nobody came in the back door.” Earlier when he was sitting beside me he mentioned the family resemblances and pointed to his little boy, “see that nose?” And sure enough, looking at my Mom, that was a Carson nose.


The black Carson relatives have been having reunions for years, but this is the first time they came to the Carson House where it began. And the first that the white side was invited, kind of. Mom saw something about it in the newspaper. It said all relatives were welcome. We were a tiny minority, but I am glad I went, though I would be interested to meet more relatives on any side. There are so many intertwined stories there. It would make a great book, or movie or miniseries. The sensibility now would be very different from the days of Roots when it would not have been p.c. to explore the depths of the love John Carson had for his slave wife and children. Or to talk about the intermarriages of his sons with the slave women as well as the indigenous Cherokee.


There was another quilter in the house, a woman named Fatima. _DEB0027Her story could be yet another thread in the saga. She claimed to be of noble blood and claimed to be able to read and write though her writing was illegible to anyone in the house, until a traveling preacher who had been in Africa as a missionary came through and recognized her writing as Arabic. It also explained that she had brothers named Mohammed and that she was a Muslim. She was also apparently very tough to deal with and was traded after being there for a short time. I would love to know her whole story.

The slave records had been transcribed for this event and there were lists with names and ages. It was interesting to see that there were a number of people 60 and older who were just listed as invalids, taken care of when they could no longer work. I wish there were time machines to go back and see how it really was. _DEB0044_2No doubt, it would sicken me a lot of the time, but I know it would be very different from our pictures of the life, since there are no real histories, only fragments of what the educated thought should be written – their version of the story, leaving out the majority of the people, slaves, women, the Cherokee.

At the Carson Plantation, during the Civil War, when the Yankees came through on Stoneman’s Raid, the slaves put mud on faces of the master’s children and hid them and their mother and fed them from their own meager stores of food. Many of the slaves stayed on with the family long after the war ended and they were freed. I think that these families in the isolation of the western mountains had become close. There are stories of slave-master children marrying into the families of the locals and in the end, the ancestry is so mixed as to be indistinguishable. When we arrived, one woman who spoke with me early on was a white woman whose great-great grandfather had a child with a slave woman who was her great grandmother. I would love to see a family tree and I am hoping that some of the people I talked with and traded email addresses with will be able to help with the other (until now unknown) side of the family. I hope this is just the beginning of a beautiful kinship.

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17 Responses to Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner

  1. How wonderful!!!! I believe that I am related to you in some fashion. My second cousin, Howard Carson, has shared a lot of the information you posted. Please email me so that we may converse. I look forward to hearing from you.
    msfriendly@live.com

    • RUDOLPH YOUNG

      The carson family reunion was a great success, but what I heard about the history of John Carson from blacks and whites was vastly different.

  2. Jill

    Rudolph,
    Please elaborate. I am interested in the whole history, not one or the other.

  3. RUDOLPH YOUNG

    Jill, I have been working on the genealogy of the African American Carson family since 1986. I identified three different stories about the Carson family . The first story was in the official history about the Carson House. This history is straight forward. The second story is much like the one in the artical “guess who is coming to dinner”. The third story is what I have uncovered over the years. Do a Google search on the Carson -Young family reunion.
    Without restating what was in the article, here is some of my story.
    1. John Carson’s wealth came in part by breeding and trading in slaves. It cost less than $100 to “raise” not rear a slave to 14 years old and sold for ten times as much.
    2. The Carson men were three generations of slave owners who sexually exploited female slaves. Love had nothing to do with it.The black Carsons were descended from Eliza, J.L Carson’s aunt. J.L. Carson ,the slave owner,had a child by Mary , a slave and Eliza’s first cousin.
    3. Harriet was not Eliza’s daughter. Harriet was not the Harriet who married Stephen Carson in McDowell County. He was Eliz’a son who married a Harriet Carson in Lincolnton. He Harriet in McDowell County was J.L. Carson.
    4. Nancy Bailey was not a slave of the Carsons, she was a free person of color and employee. Her brother John joined the Union army in 1864. Logan Carson , a former slave of the Carsons also joined the Union army.
    5. the carsons refused to allow their slaves to be impressed into Confederate service as the law required.
    6. The Carson House invited the family to hold their reunion there.
    Dennis Carson one of the organizers of the reunion mentioned the Freedom Quilts which was a hoax started in 1999.

  4. K.A.Carson

    I’ve recently came accross this artical . I am a member of the Carson family and would love to hear from more members of the clan blk/wht . I really wish I had known of the reunion earlier I would have attended. Please inform me of the next. There is a lot of likeness in the photo of Preston & Ken to my Dad and Son . I’d love to meet more Carsons.

  5. RUDOLPH YOUNG

    Dear K.A.
    There were two clans at that reunion. they are called the Maple Grove Clans of Burke County. Ken and Preston are brothers from Hickory in Catawba County. These clans are Carson-Bradshaw and Carson -Young they are descended from African Cerancy “Cera”Carson a.k.a Sarah and her daughter Eliza,who is also the daughter of John Carson. There is a Carson family website . We would like to know your story.

  6. toni

    I am a decendant of the Carson. My grandmother said that Elizabeth was Cerancy and Sarah was her child. My dad remembers Sarah Jane Carson. Her daughter LilyBelle was my grandmother’s mother. My grandmother made me write everything down before she died. She said that Cerancy African name was Agajaby. I am spelling it phonetically. She was named Elizabeth and her daughter’s name was Sarah Jane. Elizabeth’s nickname was Betsey. Her father was Colonel John Carson. Where are you getting your facts about this line of the Carson family. If anyone has information about this and the next renunion please contace me at pattycakesmooch@yahoo.com.

  7. RUDOLPH YOUNG

    Toni,
    the Elizabeth that we know is the daughter of Cerancyand Stephen. Elizabeth was called Betsy, she married Harvey Carson. This family was at Slade’s Chapal A.M.E.Zion Church in Morganton, Burke County.Cerancy had a daughter by Samuel Price Carson, who was John Carson’s son.Sarah Jane , according to Regina -Lynch Hudson was the daughter of Kadella. Send all the information you have to rudolphyng@yahoo.com or 591 alexis. NC 28006

  8. RUDOLPH YOUNG

    AGAJABY is a modified traditionalGambian family name. AGA does not normally belong with the family name Jaby[Jabbi] which means a family as big as the sky.

  9. R. M. G. H.

    I am a descendant of John Carson. I have a photograph of a woman that has been identified by my father, now deceased, as being an image of someone he called Aunt Cera Carson. He said that she had lived near the house in which he was reared in Lincolnton, NC. I think that the lady in the photo is holding my uncle and aunt, a tolddler and an infant. Do you have an image of Cera Carson? I would like to think that the photo I have has been identified correctly, but one never knows about such things after so much time has passed. Do you have any interest in seeing this photo? If so, please let me know.

  10. Jill

    There is now a John Hazzard Carson Descendants’ page on Facebook. Everyone should join in.
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=125225300835150

  11. RUDOLPH YOUNG

    R.M.G.H.
    Cera and her husband John lived in Lincolnton. She died in 1930. Yes, I would like to see the photo. Send to rudolphyng@yahoo.com. Who was your father? This coming Saturday 1-22-11 at 12:30 , Lincolnton library, there will be a discussion about the African American descendents of John H . Carson and Mingled Blood at Pleasant Gardens.

    • R. M. G. H.

      Mr. Young,
      Sorry it took so long to reply. I will get my photo scanned into my computer and send it along. It is very old, and is printed on very thin paper and is yellowed with age. She is a regal woman in appearance. My father was William Grigg, Jr. He was the son of William Edgar Grigg, and his mother was Elizabeth Motz. They lived on South Aspen Street in Lincolnton in, I think the 700 block. I will send the photo shortly.

  12. cira kelley

    hello all, I am a direct dependent of Cera Carson through her son Albert who was my grandmothers father…in fact I’m named after her tho my spelling is different…my name is Cira…
    some of the facts here are different then those I know but most names and the location is what i know to be fact…
    we have pictures of Cera, her husband and most of her children…
    please get in touch with me or my mother…my email is Cira_kelley@hotmail.com and my mother’s email is aiki_dbrave@hotmail.com

    • RUDOLPH YOUNG

      Cira, we are preparing to have our 2011 reunion. We are collecting pictures and stories. Do you know carrie Carson , Cera’s grand daughter who lives in PA. and is 101 years old?
      send you pictures ,stories and information to rudolphyng@yahoo.com

  13. Donna Davis

    I have been doing some research and found out my great great grandmother is the son of a slave. Her name is Katherine E. Carson, his name is Davis Carson. He was born 1849 and died 1922. He was mulatto from Barbados. Can anyone tell me if he was also an Irish slave?

    • Jill

      Donna, You’ll see a number of emails in other comments here that could help. There is also a Facebook page for Carson relatives. https://www.facebook.com/groups/125225300835150/ I am not sure how much they discuss the slave descendents. There may be another group for that side. I so wish that both sides were able to get together as one family by now. I think there is a reunion coming up in June.

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